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		<title>By: a trans feminist condemnation of rape comments directed at suzanne moore &#171; leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a trans feminist condemnation of rape comments directed at suzanne moore &#171; leftytgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] And of course, there is another point that must be made from a trans feminist perspective: the insult can be viewed as a distant cousin of trans-misogyny. After all, that is a large component of how trans-misogyny works: it assumes that someone who was previously assigned &#8220;superior&#8221; male status is reducing herself when she begins living socially as a woman. And that is used to justify using slurs like &#8220;tranny&#8221; and &#8220;shemale&#8221; against certain women (mostly trans women, but sometimes cis women as well). It is also used as a justification or dismissal of violence (including sexual violence) committed against trans women. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And of course, there is another point that must be made from a trans feminist perspective: the insult can be viewed as a distant cousin of trans-misogyny. After all, that is a large component of how trans-misogyny works: it assumes that someone who was previously assigned &#8220;superior&#8221; male status is reducing herself when she begins living socially as a woman. And that is used to justify using slurs like &#8220;tranny&#8221; and &#8220;shemale&#8221; against certain women (mostly trans women, but sometimes cis women as well). It is also used as a justification or dismissal of violence (including sexual violence) committed against trans women. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-643</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make a good point, which I think illustrates the extent to which society is willing to go to maintain the protected heterosexual cis man sex-gender class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, which I think illustrates the extent to which society is willing to go to maintain the protected heterosexual cis man sex-gender class.</p>
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		<title>By: Anagramarama</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-635</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 03:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never understood the trans-panic defense. At the heart of it they are saying &quot;I can&#039;t control my violent urges in the face of things that make me question my manhood/heterosexuality so therefore you should excuse what I&#039;ve done and/or reduce my punishment.&quot; It seems to me that this should have the opposite effect. Like when this defense is brought up it should tack on an extra x years to the sentence to keep this clearly unstable individual off the streets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the trans-panic defense. At the heart of it they are saying &#8220;I can&#8217;t control my violent urges in the face of things that make me question my manhood/heterosexuality so therefore you should excuse what I&#8217;ve done and/or reduce my punishment.&#8221; It seems to me that this should have the opposite effect. Like when this defense is brought up it should tack on an extra x years to the sentence to keep this clearly unstable individual off the streets.</p>
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		<title>By: aaa</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-630</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the story http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/from-rape-to-racism-how-and-why-did-charges-change-against-arab-man-1.314319]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the story <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/from-rape-to-racism-how-and-why-did-charges-change-against-arab-man-1.314319" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/from-rape-to-racism-how-and-why-did-charges-change-against-arab-man-1.314319</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tsipi</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tsipi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn’t find an English news item on the trans man story (his name is Chen Alkobi or Alkoby, maybe you’ll have better luck), here is a blog post that includes the story as it was distributed at Tel Aviv Pride 2003 http://www.qualiafolk.com/2011/12/08/kvisa-shchora/ (about halfway down). There are lots of items in Hebrew if that interests you (let me know). Here is a legal analysis by professor Aeyal Gross in the Harvard law journal discussing four US/UK/Israeli cases resulting in conviction based on gender misrepresentation, which includes the case http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol321/165-232.pdf

The Arab man you mentioned was indeed convicted under the same law (I guess properly translated to English as “rape by deception”). He misrepresented himself as unmarried and as Jewish, while he was actually married and Muslim. The verdict was rather racist, but the defendant, Sabbar Kashur, admitted he lied about his status, his basis for appeal was that consensual sex is not rape, not that he hadn’t lied. His sentence was reduced from one and a half years to 9 months in prison, but the law itself was not challenged (that can only be changed in the legislature). Here is one good English article, I’m sure there are many others http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/man-will-appeal-prison-term-for-lying-during-seduction-in-jerusalem/.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn’t find an English news item on the trans man story (his name is Chen Alkobi or Alkoby, maybe you’ll have better luck), here is a blog post that includes the story as it was distributed at Tel Aviv Pride 2003 <a href="http://www.qualiafolk.com/2011/12/08/kvisa-shchora/" rel="nofollow">http://www.qualiafolk.com/2011/12/08/kvisa-shchora/</a> (about halfway down). There are lots of items in Hebrew if that interests you (let me know). Here is a legal analysis by professor Aeyal Gross in the Harvard law journal discussing four US/UK/Israeli cases resulting in conviction based on gender misrepresentation, which includes the case <a href="http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol321/165-232.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlg/vol321/165-232.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Arab man you mentioned was indeed convicted under the same law (I guess properly translated to English as “rape by deception”). He misrepresented himself as unmarried and as Jewish, while he was actually married and Muslim. The verdict was rather racist, but the defendant, Sabbar Kashur, admitted he lied about his status, his basis for appeal was that consensual sex is not rape, not that he hadn’t lied. His sentence was reduced from one and a half years to 9 months in prison, but the law itself was not challenged (that can only be changed in the legislature). Here is one good English article, I’m sure there are many others <a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/man-will-appeal-prison-term-for-lying-during-seduction-in-jerusalem/" rel="nofollow">http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/man-will-appeal-prison-term-for-lying-during-seduction-in-jerusalem/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-623</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tsipi,

Thank you for this comment and drawing attention to this point.  I wasn&#039;t aware of this case you mentioned involving a trans man who was convicted of &quot;rape by fraud,&quot; however, as soon as you mentioned it I was immediately reminded of another case that I read about in Israel involving a Muslim man who was often perceived as being Jewish.  I don&#039;t think he ever lied about his religion, but he made friends with a Jewish woman and they had sex, then later she found out he was Muslim and had him arrested.  I believe that it was under the same law that you mentioned, though maybe I am not remembering the details here correctly, it&#039;s been a while since I read about it.

I wonder if you have any more information about that, or any thoughts on how these things might be connected?

Certainly the case of the trans man you mentioned is itself relevant to the present situation.  I wonder if you have a link to the story?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tsipi,</p>
<p>Thank you for this comment and drawing attention to this point.  I wasn&#8217;t aware of this case you mentioned involving a trans man who was convicted of &#8220;rape by fraud,&#8221; however, as soon as you mentioned it I was immediately reminded of another case that I read about in Israel involving a Muslim man who was often perceived as being Jewish.  I don&#8217;t think he ever lied about his religion, but he made friends with a Jewish woman and they had sex, then later she found out he was Muslim and had him arrested.  I believe that it was under the same law that you mentioned, though maybe I am not remembering the details here correctly, it&#8217;s been a while since I read about it.</p>
<p>I wonder if you have any more information about that, or any thoughts on how these things might be connected?</p>
<p>Certainly the case of the trans man you mentioned is itself relevant to the present situation.  I wonder if you have a link to the story?</p>
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		<title>By: Tsipi</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tsipi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Israel, one of the four statutes under which a person can be convicted of rape is &quot;rape by fraud&quot;; the law states that if sexual relations occur following fraudulent representations, and would not have occurred sans those representations, that sex is considered rape. A few years ago a trans man was charged with rape (also with impersonation, indecent acts/assault, and conspiracy to commit a crime) for carrying on romantic relations with girls without disclosure. The case was presented as a &quot;woman impersonating a man&quot;, no recognition of trans status. A conviction of attempted rape and conspiracy was entered following a plea bargain. (I&#039;m not familiar with any cases of a trans woman being similarly prosecuted, but OTOH, under Israeli law a man cannot be raped (there are sodomy laws, but they are different), yet I imagine that the same &quot;logic&quot; would apply). 

Just thought this would interest you, because while not germane to the violence/panic issue, it goes straight to the heart of cissexist attitudes -- whether or not grounded in law -- that enable and excuse the violence. And certainly goes well with your list of examples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Israel, one of the four statutes under which a person can be convicted of rape is &#8220;rape by fraud&#8221;; the law states that if sexual relations occur following fraudulent representations, and would not have occurred sans those representations, that sex is considered rape. A few years ago a trans man was charged with rape (also with impersonation, indecent acts/assault, and conspiracy to commit a crime) for carrying on romantic relations with girls without disclosure. The case was presented as a &#8220;woman impersonating a man&#8221;, no recognition of trans status. A conviction of attempted rape and conspiracy was entered following a plea bargain. (I&#8217;m not familiar with any cases of a trans woman being similarly prosecuted, but OTOH, under Israeli law a man cannot be raped (there are sodomy laws, but they are different), yet I imagine that the same &#8220;logic&#8221; would apply). </p>
<p>Just thought this would interest you, because while not germane to the violence/panic issue, it goes straight to the heart of cissexist attitudes &#8212; whether or not grounded in law &#8212; that enable and excuse the violence. And certainly goes well with your list of examples.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Point of View</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Point of View]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely understood. Just to make it clear, I am a Christian, so I&#039;ve been taught from a young age that you have absolutely no right to share your ethical convictions unless asked. You certainly have no right to share them if someone says &quot;Look, I don&#039;t want to hear it.&quot; 

About the violence, I&#039;ve recently become an active protester against violence against gays and transgenders. I honestly don&#039;t know why we can&#039;t simply label violence against them a hate crime and a felony across the board.

The first time somebody gets 25 years with no parole for assaulting a transperson, I&#039;m reasonably sure it&#039;ll give somebody pause before attempting it again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely understood. Just to make it clear, I am a Christian, so I&#8217;ve been taught from a young age that you have absolutely no right to share your ethical convictions unless asked. You certainly have no right to share them if someone says &#8220;Look, I don&#8217;t want to hear it.&#8221; </p>
<p>About the violence, I&#8217;ve recently become an active protester against violence against gays and transgenders. I honestly don&#8217;t know why we can&#8217;t simply label violence against them a hate crime and a felony across the board.</p>
<p>The first time somebody gets 25 years with no parole for assaulting a transperson, I&#8217;m reasonably sure it&#8217;ll give somebody pause before attempting it again.</p>
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		<title>By: leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leftytgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, regarding your comments so far, I don&#039;t think you have said anything out of bounds.  This blog is meant to be something of a safer space, particularly for trans women, but not necessarily the safest space in the sense that I want to allow for open dialogue and debate on reasonable ideas.  So there is some leeway in that, and in fact earlier this year I posted an article in which I allowed some pretty vitriolic stuff through... however, I learned the hard way that it accomplishes nothing trying to dialogue with people who say such extreme things except giving them an outlet for their hate.

So what I would say is just don&#039;t try to argue anything that pathologizes anyone else&#039;s body or anyone&#039;s identity.  If you&#039;re opposed to something related to some part the transition process or something like that, you can *state* that; however, I don&#039;t have much interest in hearing arguments around that, and I certainly do not want to see any personal attacks on trans people on that basis (doing so could result in comments not getting though moderation, or being banned entirely from the site).

That having been said, I&#039;m glad to hear that you&#039;ve thought through the implications for and burdens placed on trans women by the dominant &quot;disclosure&quot; narrative.  Violence is almost unquestionably legitimated by placing this burden on us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, regarding your comments so far, I don&#8217;t think you have said anything out of bounds.  This blog is meant to be something of a safer space, particularly for trans women, but not necessarily the safest space in the sense that I want to allow for open dialogue and debate on reasonable ideas.  So there is some leeway in that, and in fact earlier this year I posted an article in which I allowed some pretty vitriolic stuff through&#8230; however, I learned the hard way that it accomplishes nothing trying to dialogue with people who say such extreme things except giving them an outlet for their hate.</p>
<p>So what I would say is just don&#8217;t try to argue anything that pathologizes anyone else&#8217;s body or anyone&#8217;s identity.  If you&#8217;re opposed to something related to some part the transition process or something like that, you can *state* that; however, I don&#8217;t have much interest in hearing arguments around that, and I certainly do not want to see any personal attacks on trans people on that basis (doing so could result in comments not getting though moderation, or being banned entirely from the site).</p>
<p>That having been said, I&#8217;m glad to hear that you&#8217;ve thought through the implications for and burdens placed on trans women by the dominant &#8220;disclosure&#8221; narrative.  Violence is almost unquestionably legitimated by placing this burden on us.</p>
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		<title>By: pasupatidasi</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/on-the-disclosure-myth-and-the-cissexist-imagination/#comment-610</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[she&#039;s taught me so much about life!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>she&#8217;s taught me so much about life!</p>
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