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	<title>Comments on: a transphobic attempt to censor trans participation in pride toronto</title>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-transphobic-attempt-to-censor-trans-participation-in-pride-toronto/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad Joe posted that comment on Torontoist.  It communicates quickly, simply, and 1,000 times more clearly than any of us could - just how big an asshole Joe Clark is.  There is no way anyone can take his shockingly inappropriate comments seriously, amid the outpouring of grief and love for Kyle Scanlon.

Let Joe dig his own grave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad Joe posted that comment on Torontoist.  It communicates quickly, simply, and 1,000 times more clearly than any of us could &#8211; just how big an asshole Joe Clark is.  There is no way anyone can take his shockingly inappropriate comments seriously, amid the outpouring of grief and love for Kyle Scanlon.</p>
<p>Let Joe dig his own grave.</p>
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		<title>By: leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-transphobic-attempt-to-censor-trans-participation-in-pride-toronto/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leftytgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carolyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 02:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this Joe character. We all do, because there are characters like him all over the nets, at our workplaces, among our families, at the places we hang out. Different names, different faces, but this &quot;Joe&quot; is everywhere.

&quot;Joe&quot; is a professional EVERYTHING. Knows all, tells all, and you don&#039;t even need to ask him. He&#039;s gonna tell ya anyway.

Thing is, &quot;Joe&#039;s&quot; perspective on everything has just one reference point: Joe. That&#039;s it. Which really doesn&#039;t meet the definition of perspective at all.

Whatever the topic at hand, the Joe character can address it only in terms of himself. What he likes or doesn&#039;t like, believes or doesn&#039;t believe, feels or doesn&#039;t feel. There&#039;s no real dialog with &quot;Joe,&quot; just the blasts of his various rants.

Me, for the most part, I don&#039;t even bother. Best advice I ever received, a long time ago, was this: &quot;We don&#039;t need to get through to everyone. Some, we just need to get around.&quot; And I think that&#039;s largely true, though I&#039;d add: Confront the Joe character when necessary, obstruct him when he&#039;s doing harm. Ignore him when it&#039;s safe to do so. But let&#039;s not imagine we&#039;re getting through to him, or even need to.

Though &quot;Joe&quot; may imagine otherwise, we&#039;re not asking his permission. We don&#039;t have to &quot;run it by Joe&quot; for approval before we form opinions, or act upon them. We don&#039;t have to convince him of anything at all. We&#039;re just making sure he&#039;s not slowing us down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this Joe character. We all do, because there are characters like him all over the nets, at our workplaces, among our families, at the places we hang out. Different names, different faces, but this &#8220;Joe&#8221; is everywhere.</p>
<p>&#8220;Joe&#8221; is a professional EVERYTHING. Knows all, tells all, and you don&#8217;t even need to ask him. He&#8217;s gonna tell ya anyway.</p>
<p>Thing is, &#8220;Joe&#8217;s&#8221; perspective on everything has just one reference point: Joe. That&#8217;s it. Which really doesn&#8217;t meet the definition of perspective at all.</p>
<p>Whatever the topic at hand, the Joe character can address it only in terms of himself. What he likes or doesn&#8217;t like, believes or doesn&#8217;t believe, feels or doesn&#8217;t feel. There&#8217;s no real dialog with &#8220;Joe,&#8221; just the blasts of his various rants.</p>
<p>Me, for the most part, I don&#8217;t even bother. Best advice I ever received, a long time ago, was this: &#8220;We don&#8217;t need to get through to everyone. Some, we just need to get around.&#8221; And I think that&#8217;s largely true, though I&#8217;d add: Confront the Joe character when necessary, obstruct him when he&#8217;s doing harm. Ignore him when it&#8217;s safe to do so. But let&#8217;s not imagine we&#8217;re getting through to him, or even need to.</p>
<p>Though &#8220;Joe&#8221; may imagine otherwise, we&#8217;re not asking his permission. We don&#8217;t have to &#8220;run it by Joe&#8221; for approval before we form opinions, or act upon them. We don&#8217;t have to convince him of anything at all. We&#8217;re just making sure he&#8217;s not slowing us down.</p>
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		<title>By: leftytgirl</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-transphobic-attempt-to-censor-trans-participation-in-pride-toronto/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leftytgirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WOW... thanks for pointing out the comment on the Torontoist article (even if it is quite unpleasant to read).  I had a sense things were off, but I had no idea how deep the issue really went.  But at least there were a number of trans supporters (including some of Kyle&#039;s friends) there to speak back to that kind of trash talk against the dead.

And I agree it is amazing to see over and over how quick the claws are to come out against this one particular religion when it comes to issues relating to gay identity... for another recent example, check this piece about the Advocate&#039;s recent publication of a homophobic, anti-Muslim hoax, which promotes the false idea that militants might engage in sodomy for the purposes of making it easier to carry a bomb inside their anus (how I wish I was joking when I wrote that ridiculous sentence):

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/sodomy-jihad-venerable-lgbt-magazine-advocate-spreads-vile-islamophobic-hoax

Of course, the tendency towards such a pathological view of one group of people so easily translates into having a pathological view of another group of people... it&#039;s sad to see it unfolding but it&#039;s one more reason why all need to work together for justice against multiple axes of oppression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW&#8230; thanks for pointing out the comment on the Torontoist article (even if it is quite unpleasant to read).  I had a sense things were off, but I had no idea how deep the issue really went.  But at least there were a number of trans supporters (including some of Kyle&#8217;s friends) there to speak back to that kind of trash talk against the dead.</p>
<p>And I agree it is amazing to see over and over how quick the claws are to come out against this one particular religion when it comes to issues relating to gay identity&#8230; for another recent example, check this piece about the Advocate&#8217;s recent publication of a homophobic, anti-Muslim hoax, which promotes the false idea that militants might engage in sodomy for the purposes of making it easier to carry a bomb inside their anus (how I wish I was joking when I wrote that ridiculous sentence):</p>
<p><a href="http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/sodomy-jihad-venerable-lgbt-magazine-advocate-spreads-vile-islamophobic-hoax" rel="nofollow">http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/sodomy-jihad-venerable-lgbt-magazine-advocate-spreads-vile-islamophobic-hoax</a></p>
<p>Of course, the tendency towards such a pathological view of one group of people so easily translates into having a pathological view of another group of people&#8230; it&#8217;s sad to see it unfolding but it&#8217;s one more reason why all need to work together for justice against multiple axes of oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: inchoaterica</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-transphobic-attempt-to-censor-trans-participation-in-pride-toronto/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[inchoaterica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m always terribly amazed how quickly queer Islamophobes cut to the idea that &quot;Islam kills gays&quot;, completely ignoring that there are multiple schools and branches of Islam; it is as ridiculous as saying &quot;Christianity kills gays&quot; because some Christians believe in the same sorts of violence in response to dealing with queers. i&#039;d ask why so much focus on gays, but then i remember the person making these claims is none other than notorious transphobe Joe Clark, last seen deriding the dead... http://torontoist.com/2012/07/toronto’s-trans-community-grieves-loss-of-kyle-scanlon/ yet i don&#039;t see Joe making sure that no Christians march in Pride Toronto. i&#039;m sure that&#039;s an oversight...

in other words, it&#039;s kind of interesting to see that a transexterminationist like Joe is the same kind of person who believes that Israel is so sacrosanct that there&#039;s not even room for dissenting view and response to the Israeli pinkwashing machine. i mean, when you silence all the people you disagree with you never have to hear their message again, so i guess that would make Joe&#039;s life so much easier so he can go back to talking about his monolithic fantasies about &quot;transgenders&quot;. oh, wait, he probably wants us all out of pride, too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m always terribly amazed how quickly queer Islamophobes cut to the idea that &#8220;Islam kills gays&#8221;, completely ignoring that there are multiple schools and branches of Islam; it is as ridiculous as saying &#8220;Christianity kills gays&#8221; because some Christians believe in the same sorts of violence in response to dealing with queers. i&#8217;d ask why so much focus on gays, but then i remember the person making these claims is none other than notorious transphobe Joe Clark, last seen deriding the dead&#8230; <a href="http://torontoist.com/2012/07/toronto’s-trans-community-grieves-loss-of-kyle-scanlon/" rel="nofollow">http://torontoist.com/2012/07/toronto’s-trans-community-grieves-loss-of-kyle-scanlon/</a> yet i don&#8217;t see Joe making sure that no Christians march in Pride Toronto. i&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s an oversight&#8230;</p>
<p>in other words, it&#8217;s kind of interesting to see that a transexterminationist like Joe is the same kind of person who believes that Israel is so sacrosanct that there&#8217;s not even room for dissenting view and response to the Israeli pinkwashing machine. i mean, when you silence all the people you disagree with you never have to hear their message again, so i guess that would make Joe&#8217;s life so much easier so he can go back to talking about his monolithic fantasies about &#8220;transgenders&#8221;. oh, wait, he probably wants us all out of pride, too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://leftytgirl.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/a-transphobic-attempt-to-censor-trans-participation-in-pride-toronto/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. Some people really just don&#039;t understand do they. Transphobia, islamaphobia... just a whole ball of wax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Some people really just don&#8217;t understand do they. Transphobia, islamaphobia&#8230; just a whole ball of wax.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...So I&#039;m not a trans person, but I am a queer cis woman trans ally who felt the urge to comment - hope that&#039;s OK, leftygirl. Clark&#039;s comments, in his complaint about QuAIA to Pride Toronto&#039;s Dispute Resolution Panel, that &quot;Palestinian queers are a hypothetical group&quot; and &quot;These people, if they exist...&quot; come creepily close to former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir&#039;s statement that &quot;there is no such thing as a Palestinian&quot;. I think this man has perfected a way to be Islamicist, transphobic, colonialist, homonationalist, anti-Palestinian, and historically revisionist - all at the same time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;So I&#8217;m not a trans person, but I am a queer cis woman trans ally who felt the urge to comment &#8211; hope that&#8217;s OK, leftygirl. Clark&#8217;s comments, in his complaint about QuAIA to Pride Toronto&#8217;s Dispute Resolution Panel, that &#8220;Palestinian queers are a hypothetical group&#8221; and &#8220;These people, if they exist&#8230;&#8221; come creepily close to former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir&#8217;s statement that &#8220;there is no such thing as a Palestinian&#8221;. I think this man has perfected a way to be Islamicist, transphobic, colonialist, homonationalist, anti-Palestinian, and historically revisionist &#8211; all at the same time!</p>
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